A new study has concluded that 1/3 of teens are cyber bullied.
I can relate in a small way because my addy, emails, and lies were posted to the internet. It is un-imagineable the reasons behind such cruelty and what these children must be experiencing.
Will the laws catch up to technology? Is there a sick mind behind such actions? What is your opinion?
Cyber Bulling
Full Version: Cyber Bullying
My opinion is that it will never stop. As long as parents do not monitor their childrens/young teens activity so that they are less prone to do these things, it will continue.
I am working with a man now who just discovered his 12 year old daughter had a MySpace account (yes, they aren't supposed to, but she lied online). She recieved a "comment" in her area from a boy that responded to her Title of "I hate emo's" with "You better be careful (expletive) one of them is liable to rape you!".
I don't hold any hope for him or his daughter. He asked for help, but balked at pulling her account from MySpace. That would have been my first move.
So in answer to the question, based on the fact that most of these sites claim there are too many accounts to police, and rely on the kids/users to report the bullying, which they seldom do, they are out to make a buck and can care less. The bullying will continue.
I am working with a man now who just discovered his 12 year old daughter had a MySpace account (yes, they aren't supposed to, but she lied online). She recieved a "comment" in her area from a boy that responded to her Title of "I hate emo's" with "You better be careful (expletive) one of them is liable to rape you!".
I don't hold any hope for him or his daughter. He asked for help, but balked at pulling her account from MySpace. That would have been my first move.
So in answer to the question, based on the fact that most of these sites claim there are too many accounts to police, and rely on the kids/users to report the bullying, which they seldom do, they are out to make a buck and can care less. The bullying will continue.
Well thanks to My Space , You Tube and a host of other sites for the kids.
When your behind the scenes , we tend to get , agressive to one another.
When your behind the scenes , we tend to get , agressive to one another.
cyber bullying , is downright sickening.
where ever it may be.
love
elk
For evil to prosper it takes good people doing nothing.
i feel great owners, moderators, adminiistrators
can stop this abuse.
where ever it may be.
love
elk
For evil to prosper it takes good people doing nothing.
i feel great owners, moderators, adminiistrators
can stop this abuse.
Hate, terrorism growing on Internet, expert says
Craig Pearson , The Windsor Star
Published: Wednesday, July 04, 2007
The Internet is growing as a place of hate and terrorism, in particular with games and recruitment aimed at children, says a national expert on intolerance.
"Just as we teach our kids not to play in the street and not to cross against a red light, we have to teach that this is not right," Leo Adler, director of national affairs for the Toronto-based Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies, said at a news conference Wednesday in Windsor. "It's a risk of modern day life."
Adler helped launch a 10th anniversary CD-ROM produced by the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center called Hate on Demand: Digital Terrorism and Hate.
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Leo Adler, director of national affairs, Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center in Toronto, speaks Wednesday in Windsor. The subject of his presentation was Digital Terrorism and Hate 2007.
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Font: ****The 2007 edition of the CD includes more than 600 examples culled from almost 7,000 "problematic" websites - including blogs, newsgroups and more - a spike of almost 17 per cent from last year.
The increase in use of video cameras allows hate organizations to produce a kind of "direct market message" to which young people are particularly susceptible, Adler said.
"The Internet isn't a babysitting service," Adler said. "Know what your kids are doing, read what your kids are writing.
"If you see a sudden change, in their writing, clothing, attitude, friends, demeanour ... it could be a problem coming on."
The Hate on Demand CD shows a wide variety of disconcerting websites: a pending suicide bomber hugs her children; a graduating kindergarten class wears masks and carries fake guns through military-style exercises; Holocaust deniers argue their case; and a list of violent video games allow players to shoot homosexuals, bomb individuals and much more.
A number of sites also provide bomb recipes and detonator instructions.
"The days of armies of thousands and millions are gone," Adler said. "The lone wolf, the one individual who can go on line and learn how to make a bomb and how to detonate it with his cellphone, which is so common today, is the problem."
Though Adler said 7,000 sites represent only a fraction of the Internet, he said the potential harm they can cause is significant.
"It's a matter of education," he said. "It can be very bad if nothing is done about it."
Few hate sites use servers in Canada, Adler said, because Canadian law makes them comparatively easy to take down - though like anybody else, Canadians can access websites from around the world.
Windsor is the second stop after Calgary for Adler, who is spreading the word about growing hate online.
"We picked Windsor because it's a border city and there's quite a mix here," Adler said. "We also picked Windsor because it has had a history of problems in the past with racism and discrimination."
The white supremacist record label Resistance Records, for instance, was based in Windsor in the '90s.
Nevertheless, Windsor police spokesman Staff Sgt. Ed McNorton disagrees that Windsor has a problem with hate crime.
"This city is one of the most diversified in the country," McNorton said. "And it's a very tolerant city. There are very, very few incidents here."
Craig Pearson , The Windsor Star
Published: Wednesday, July 04, 2007
The Internet is growing as a place of hate and terrorism, in particular with games and recruitment aimed at children, says a national expert on intolerance.
"Just as we teach our kids not to play in the street and not to cross against a red light, we have to teach that this is not right," Leo Adler, director of national affairs for the Toronto-based Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies, said at a news conference Wednesday in Windsor. "It's a risk of modern day life."
Adler helped launch a 10th anniversary CD-ROM produced by the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center called Hate on Demand: Digital Terrorism and Hate.
View Larger Image
Leo Adler, director of national affairs, Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center in Toronto, speaks Wednesday in Windsor. The subject of his presentation was Digital Terrorism and Hate 2007.
Dan Janisse, The Windsor Star
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Font: ****The 2007 edition of the CD includes more than 600 examples culled from almost 7,000 "problematic" websites - including blogs, newsgroups and more - a spike of almost 17 per cent from last year.
The increase in use of video cameras allows hate organizations to produce a kind of "direct market message" to which young people are particularly susceptible, Adler said.
"The Internet isn't a babysitting service," Adler said. "Know what your kids are doing, read what your kids are writing.
"If you see a sudden change, in their writing, clothing, attitude, friends, demeanour ... it could be a problem coming on."
The Hate on Demand CD shows a wide variety of disconcerting websites: a pending suicide bomber hugs her children; a graduating kindergarten class wears masks and carries fake guns through military-style exercises; Holocaust deniers argue their case; and a list of violent video games allow players to shoot homosexuals, bomb individuals and much more.
A number of sites also provide bomb recipes and detonator instructions.
"The days of armies of thousands and millions are gone," Adler said. "The lone wolf, the one individual who can go on line and learn how to make a bomb and how to detonate it with his cellphone, which is so common today, is the problem."
Though Adler said 7,000 sites represent only a fraction of the Internet, he said the potential harm they can cause is significant.
"It's a matter of education," he said. "It can be very bad if nothing is done about it."
Few hate sites use servers in Canada, Adler said, because Canadian law makes them comparatively easy to take down - though like anybody else, Canadians can access websites from around the world.
Windsor is the second stop after Calgary for Adler, who is spreading the word about growing hate online.
"We picked Windsor because it's a border city and there's quite a mix here," Adler said. "We also picked Windsor because it has had a history of problems in the past with racism and discrimination."
The white supremacist record label Resistance Records, for instance, was based in Windsor in the '90s.
Nevertheless, Windsor police spokesman Staff Sgt. Ed McNorton disagrees that Windsor has a problem with hate crime.
"This city is one of the most diversified in the country," McNorton said. "And it's a very tolerant city. There are very, very few incidents here."
The internet has certainly contributed to a rise in hate crimes, bullying, terrorism etc. etc. but the cat is out of the bag, it is really IMHO, the last bastion of free speech.
Having said that, we really need to monitor the kids more closely and be a little more heavy handed than we might normally be when it comes to the internet. I just watched (got the TV working) MSNBC sting operation which caught numerous pedophiles and stalkers by entrapment, in chat rooms. Surprising, one was a teacher, another was a rabbi, scary stuff.
So, how can the authorities close down these chat rooms, without affecting legitimate chats - is it technically possible to do it, and in the interests of protecting our kids should we just close them down all together? Any other suggestions for the technical aspect of all this?
Having said that, we really need to monitor the kids more closely and be a little more heavy handed than we might normally be when it comes to the internet. I just watched (got the TV working) MSNBC sting operation which caught numerous pedophiles and stalkers by entrapment, in chat rooms. Surprising, one was a teacher, another was a rabbi, scary stuff.
So, how can the authorities close down these chat rooms, without affecting legitimate chats - is it technically possible to do it, and in the interests of protecting our kids should we just close them down all together? Any other suggestions for the technical aspect of all this?
cyberbullYing should not be tolerated
ANYWHERE.
eLKOURI
The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
Albert Einstein
ANYWHERE.
eLKOURI
The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
Albert Einstein
| QUOTE (redhatmamma @ Jul 5 2007, 09:09 AM) |
| The internet has certainly contributed to a rise in hate crimes, bullying, terrorism etc. etc. but the cat is out of the bag, it is really IMHO, the last bastion of free speech. Having said that, we really need to monitor the kids more closely and be a little more heavy handed than we might normally be when it comes to the internet. I just watched (got the TV working) MSNBC sting operation which caught numerous pedophiles and stalkers by entrapment, in chat rooms. Surprising, one was a teacher, another was a rabbi, scary stuff. So, how can the authorities close down these chat rooms, without affecting legitimate chats - is it technically possible to do it, and in the interests of protecting our kids should we just close them down all together? Any other suggestions for the technical aspect of all this? |
more supervision . i believe , redhatmama
elk
| QUOTE |
| So, how can the authorities close down these chat rooms, without affecting legitimate chats - is it technically possible to do it, and in the interests of protecting our kids should we just close them down all together? Any other suggestions for the technical aspect of all this? |
In todays world I am an overbearing parent. I am a snoop. I don't trust my kids, etc, etc adnauseum. However, mine aren't ripe with hate mail etc.
The other kids know (from my kids telling them) that I monitor what goes on to a big degree. So they don't use curse words on my childrens myspace (or my childs who although 18 still abides by the rules) because they know they will be banned from speaking to mine, or chatting or whatever. I take the time to know what goes on, I am rare.
We are falling down as parents and blaming the kids and everything else. I'm too busy with work, I don't have the time. I can't watch them every moment. Any excuse will do.
My computers all have monitoring software. The deal is, if you don't want us to know what is going on, don't do it on this computer. Keeps down trouble.
MySpace and others could do more to stop the hate sites and such, but that would cut too far into the bottom line of profits. So it will never get done.
i think the worse kind of cyber bullying is when moderators
owners, administrators.
think they can control.
this is pathetic,
and no one has to suffer that abuse
in my opinion.
these kind of foourms are few and far between,
THANK GOD.
love
ELK
owners, administrators.
think they can control.
this is pathetic,
and no one has to suffer that abuse
in my opinion.
these kind of foourms are few and far between,
THANK GOD.
love
ELK
| QUOTE (elkouri @ Jul 16 2007, 12:23 PM) |
| i think the worse kind of cyber bullying is when moderators owners, administrators. think they can control. this is pathetic, and no one has to suffer that abuse in my opinion. these kind of foourms are few and far between, THANK GOD. love ELK |
Elk the Admin.'s of these forums , have to have Control or the entire forum will get carried away with all kinds of crap.
Its the Admin. of most forums who foot the bill for the costs of running the forums.
They in return have members like Moderators to help them control the forum , to see that no member or guest abuses the privilege of being a member.
I don't think we have a Dictatorship control here. I think we are more generous than other forums with our content. Like we don't go around Banning members for no apparent reason. Takes quite a bit of doing here to get yourself Banned. I believe we run a fair forum board here.
I am onside in what WC posted. However, I would add that not only must we have control but that control has to be objective and problems are dealt with swiftly and privately.
When power play amongst Admins comes into the picture, the problems begin. The 3 Admins. here do not seek to take away power or sole control from the other. We deal with situations collectively and yes, on occasions do disagree but work on the basis of a majority decision rules.
As for cyber bullies in general ...these people do not become bullies overnight. They developed bully skills at childhood. It begins in the home where they control the parents, then control the neighborhood kids, then the schools and then into adulthood. Good parenting is the key in prevention and I am sorry to say that good parenting is not found in a daycare centre. Values and social behavior, consequences starts within the home not only as a good example but this is where a parent can guide the child on the right path. A working parent does not have the time to devote mostly because they are too tired to deal with any situation and simply give in to the child for the sake of peace.
Anyway, that is my perspective on it.
When power play amongst Admins comes into the picture, the problems begin. The 3 Admins. here do not seek to take away power or sole control from the other. We deal with situations collectively and yes, on occasions do disagree but work on the basis of a majority decision rules.
As for cyber bullies in general ...these people do not become bullies overnight. They developed bully skills at childhood. It begins in the home where they control the parents, then control the neighborhood kids, then the schools and then into adulthood. Good parenting is the key in prevention and I am sorry to say that good parenting is not found in a daycare centre. Values and social behavior, consequences starts within the home not only as a good example but this is where a parent can guide the child on the right path. A working parent does not have the time to devote mostly because they are too tired to deal with any situation and simply give in to the child for the sake of peace.
Anyway, that is my perspective on it.
QUOTE (Whitecloud @ Jul 16 2007, 11:37 AM)
| QUOTE (elkouri @ Jul 16 2007, 12:23 PM) |
| i think the worse kind of cyber bullying is when moderators owners, administrators. think they can control. this is pathetic, and no one has to suffer that abuse in my opinion. these kind of foourms are few and far between, THANK GOD. love ELK |
Elk the Admin.'s of these forums , have to have Control or the entire forum will get carried away with all kinds of crap.
Its the Admin. of most forums who foot the bill for the costs of running the forums.
They in return have members like Moderators to help them control the forum , to see that no member or guest abuses the privilege of being a member.
I don't think we have a Dictatorship control here. I think we are more generous than other forums with our content. Like we don't go around Banning members for no apparent reason. Takes quite a bit of doing here to get yourself Banned. I believe we run a fair forum board here.
YOU GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DARLIN
YOU AND ALL THAT MAKE THIS A GREAT FORUM
JUST TAKE A LOOK,
WHAT MORE PROOF DOES ANYONE NEED.
LOVE, GOD BLESS.
ELKOURI
NOOOOOOO I AINT YELLING,
I JUST WANT TO BE NOTICED.
haha
Sometimes I think moderators who fake being good moderators are just power hungry, angry, lonely individuals. They have no life and no one who loves them. They are too miserable to know, much less to live with.
| QUOTE (islandgrl @ Jul 16 2007, 10:22 AM) |
| Sometimes I think moderators who fake being good moderators are just power hungry, angry, lonely individuals. They have no life and no one who loves them. They are too miserable to know, much less to live with. |
If there is such a Moderator, then the Admins. have not done their job well in appointing their Moderators. Appointment should be given much thought before being offered the position. Moderators play an important role as Administrative assistants towards a goal of achieving a good forum. Administration that does not give careful consideration will soon find a failing forum.
Most people have visited a message board at one time or another in their life. I would guess that the vast majority has never posted anything at all, preferring just to lurk (view) rather than to contribute their ideas and thoughts. Most of those that have contributed have posted useful input to discussions which are valued by many of the subscribers to the board.
It's the small minority, however, which has created the need for moderators. These are the people who read all of the articles and comments posted to a board and ensure that they are suitable for the audience.
Moderators are very necessary. If you've ever visited a board (or the near cousins: newsgroups and enlists) which is not moderated, you know exactly what I mean. These often are filled with spam of the worst sort: silly money making programs and pornography. Quite often they degenerate into meaningless collections of junk visited by no one except automated spamming programs.
I always find it sad when I visit a board in this condition. I mean someone put some effort into creating a community on the web, then for whatever reason neglected or abandoned it. The truly sad boards are those that were obviously active, useful areas full of vibrant communications which have degenerated into uselessness.
What is the job of a moderator?
Some boards require user registration. In very strictly moderated boards, a Administrator must approve each person who registers to access the board. This allows some measure of control over who can post. Security levels can further restrict what visitors can do. Good judgment in allowing people to join the group can obviate the need for extreme policing of postings. In other words, don't allow the bad apples into the barrel in the first place.
Postings are policed. You can have two forms of moderation. In one form, articles are posted automatically. They are reviewed by the moderator after they are posted to the board. Moderators can delete postings which do not measure up to board standards. Personally, I dislike this kind of moderation, since unnecessary postings are available for reading until the moderator reviews them.
In the second form, a moderator must review each posting before it appears on the board. This makes for a cleaner experience, although it demands a lot more work from the moderator.
Ensuring the board remains on-topic. The best message boards stick to one or more specific topics. A major job of a good moderator is to review postings to ensure that they are of the same subject as the board. At the very least, off-topic threads should be discouraged quickly or gently moved to other, more appropriate arenas.
Minimize flaming. Flames are critical or derogatory remarks. A flame war is kind of like a shouting match where insults are hurled between people until they all flee, exhausted and battered. Good moderators gently prod people into posting responsibly by discouraging flaming.
Eject troublemakers and spammers. As moderators read through postings, it can become obvious very quickly that there is a troublemaker in the group. These troublemakers need to be handled - either by gentle persuasion or more harsh measures if necessary. In fact, the moderator must be ready to eject severe troublemakers from the group if these people are continually causing problems.
The best boards are good because they remain on-topic and the communications between individuals is civil and useful. A good moderator works to ensure that this remains true so that everyone can benefit from the community as well as contribute to the discussions in an intelligent manner.
The best moderators work with the board members to create an environment which is enjoyable and beneficial to all. A bad moderator can produce the feeling that one is being watched by the Gestapo or secret police, where every word is watched and postings are often deleted without apparent cause or need.
Members of the board need to feel that their comments are desired and valued. Randomly deleting large numbers of postings for no apparent reason other than the moderator disagrees will certainly cause a board to become useless and empty of life. In fact, one of the things that can make a board truly outstanding is lively (not insulting or demeaning but lively) discussions about various topics.
And that's really the job of a board moderator. To ensure that the board remains viable, active and alive. To promote and ensure that an environment exists where people can post without threat or fear. And to be sure that disagreements do not flare into all-out warfare.]
It's the small minority, however, which has created the need for moderators. These are the people who read all of the articles and comments posted to a board and ensure that they are suitable for the audience.
Moderators are very necessary. If you've ever visited a board (or the near cousins: newsgroups and enlists) which is not moderated, you know exactly what I mean. These often are filled with spam of the worst sort: silly money making programs and pornography. Quite often they degenerate into meaningless collections of junk visited by no one except automated spamming programs.
I always find it sad when I visit a board in this condition. I mean someone put some effort into creating a community on the web, then for whatever reason neglected or abandoned it. The truly sad boards are those that were obviously active, useful areas full of vibrant communications which have degenerated into uselessness.
What is the job of a moderator?
Some boards require user registration. In very strictly moderated boards, a Administrator must approve each person who registers to access the board. This allows some measure of control over who can post. Security levels can further restrict what visitors can do. Good judgment in allowing people to join the group can obviate the need for extreme policing of postings. In other words, don't allow the bad apples into the barrel in the first place.
Postings are policed. You can have two forms of moderation. In one form, articles are posted automatically. They are reviewed by the moderator after they are posted to the board. Moderators can delete postings which do not measure up to board standards. Personally, I dislike this kind of moderation, since unnecessary postings are available for reading until the moderator reviews them.
In the second form, a moderator must review each posting before it appears on the board. This makes for a cleaner experience, although it demands a lot more work from the moderator.
Ensuring the board remains on-topic. The best message boards stick to one or more specific topics. A major job of a good moderator is to review postings to ensure that they are of the same subject as the board. At the very least, off-topic threads should be discouraged quickly or gently moved to other, more appropriate arenas.
Minimize flaming. Flames are critical or derogatory remarks. A flame war is kind of like a shouting match where insults are hurled between people until they all flee, exhausted and battered. Good moderators gently prod people into posting responsibly by discouraging flaming.
Eject troublemakers and spammers. As moderators read through postings, it can become obvious very quickly that there is a troublemaker in the group. These troublemakers need to be handled - either by gentle persuasion or more harsh measures if necessary. In fact, the moderator must be ready to eject severe troublemakers from the group if these people are continually causing problems.
The best boards are good because they remain on-topic and the communications between individuals is civil and useful. A good moderator works to ensure that this remains true so that everyone can benefit from the community as well as contribute to the discussions in an intelligent manner.
The best moderators work with the board members to create an environment which is enjoyable and beneficial to all. A bad moderator can produce the feeling that one is being watched by the Gestapo or secret police, where every word is watched and postings are often deleted without apparent cause or need.
Members of the board need to feel that their comments are desired and valued. Randomly deleting large numbers of postings for no apparent reason other than the moderator disagrees will certainly cause a board to become useless and empty of life. In fact, one of the things that can make a board truly outstanding is lively (not insulting or demeaning but lively) discussions about various topics.
And that's really the job of a board moderator. To ensure that the board remains viable, active and alive. To promote and ensure that an environment exists where people can post without threat or fear. And to be sure that disagreements do not flare into all-out warfare.]
That was very informative and touches on all aspects of what makes a great board great!
Yep, we are on our way with the help of our valued members.. 
WC's post is a very good explanation. I do not think anymore can be added to it.
Excellent information, WC. The team here is doing a great job, could not ask for better management, in my opinion.
I get no sense of a desire by the Admins or Mods here that they wish to manipulate or control the opinions of the members.
I feel there is a great deal of RESPECT between everyone here. No group of people are all going to think alike or have the same opinions, but at least they can respect each others opinions.
I get no sense of a desire by the Admins or Mods here that they wish to manipulate or control the opinions of the members.
I feel there is a great deal of RESPECT between everyone here. No group of people are all going to think alike or have the same opinions, but at least they can respect each others opinions.
| QUOTE |
| As for cyber bullies in general ...these people do not become bullies overnight. They developed bully skills at childhood. It begins in the home where they control the parents, then control the neighborhood kids, then the schools and then into adulthood. Good parenting is the key in prevention and I am sorry to say that good parenting is not found in a daycare centre. Values and social behavior, consequences starts within the home not only as a good example but this is where a parent can guide the child on the right path. A working parent does not have the time to devote mostly because they are too tired to deal with any situation and simply give in to the child for the sake of peace. |
Total agreement with you wabbits. The disintegration of the family unit is a huge factor in this, and also the cause of many of the other ills in society today.
| QUOTE (islandgrl @ Jul 16 2007, 10:22 AM) |
| Sometimes I think moderators who fake being good moderators are just power hungry, angry, lonely individuals. They have no life and no one who loves them. They are too miserable to know, much less to live with. |
I would never join a forum where I get the feeling that there are people like this.
If I were treated unfairly, I would leave, simple as that. I have no time to spend mucking about with cyber bullies, life is too short.
Thank you RW. I was mostly a stay at home mom. My eldest son told me when he began a family that we were great role models and he was going to upbring his children similarly. And that he and his wife of 23 yrs. have done. When my youngest son got married, his father was his best man. How often does anyone even hear of a father attending their child's wedding as a best man?? Next when we had our first dance, he whispered in my ear and said to me " Mom, I thank you and dad for always being there for me and giving me loving parents, and for your guidance even though I was most difficult to deal with at times. You were always in support". Rewards such as the above is something money cannot buy nor can material possessions. I have made many mistakes when upbringing the boys but we were a family that played together, stayed together, vacationed together and even set house rules together. The children were always included. Family breakdown leaves the children wondering about their security, loss of extended family most often and possibly a feeling of nowhere to turn. Miraculously I remained married for 50 yrs. and when hubby whispered on our anniversary "you are a keeper", I had tears as he is not one to express his feeling very often. Trust me it has not been an easy or smooth ride but I am glad we made the effort.
I do acknowlege it is very difficult for a one parent family to deal with issues that arise but I do criticize those parents who deny access to the non custodial spouse out of spite or extended family. they only harm the children.
A tad off topic but it kinda pertains to why kids bully ...
I do acknowlege it is very difficult for a one parent family to deal with issues that arise but I do criticize those parents who deny access to the non custodial spouse out of spite or extended family. they only harm the children.
A tad off topic but it kinda pertains to why kids bully ...
I like that wabbits, good morals.
Wabbits.... 
It's people like you that make a difference, that will never be forgotten.....
Your eloquence really touches my heart.
It's people like you that make a difference, that will never be forgotten.....Your eloquence really touches my heart.
Thank you for your kind comments. One thing I have learned in my lifetime is that children are a gift and a very precious commodity as well as our future generation. One of the hardest jobs one can have is bringing up children. You are dealing with personalities and have entered into a job that is an unknown field and each day that goes by not only is it a learning experience for the child but for the parents as well. It is a once in a lifetime chance at helping a child to grow, make the right choices and become a productive citizen. One cannot place a price tag on this and no career should take it's place. I exempt those who have been forced to work to provide but let us use an example if you are a high wage earner professional and the spouse is a professional and have children ... what is more important, that child you brought onto this earth or your career because if you choose career, then you truly did not want that child except in name. If you choose the love of a child then you should place your outside career on hold and make that child and your family as a whole a career. This is not something to be ashamed of but to be proud of to devote your time to family.
Nope, I am not a psychologist either ... just observation and a lot of serious thought.
The kids never had a chance to roam the streets aimlessly. We kept them involved and also assigned chores which earned an allowance in order to teach responsibility. The work is endless and no one will ever convince me that it was not worthy of my time.
My kids also encountered school bullies and we discussed the bullies and how to deal with them; we discussed a course of action and I also discussed it with the police. No solution was correct or perfect but at least the kids felt we listened and cared. There will always be bullies but we can also try to play a role with our children in order to help prevent them from becoming bullies and on the same token if they are not the bullies but bullied to help them understand and guide them in how to deal with those situations.
Good topic so now tell me how you dealt with bullies or know of any bullies and their background.
Nope, I am not a psychologist either ... just observation and a lot of serious thought.
The kids never had a chance to roam the streets aimlessly. We kept them involved and also assigned chores which earned an allowance in order to teach responsibility. The work is endless and no one will ever convince me that it was not worthy of my time.
My kids also encountered school bullies and we discussed the bullies and how to deal with them; we discussed a course of action and I also discussed it with the police. No solution was correct or perfect but at least the kids felt we listened and cared. There will always be bullies but we can also try to play a role with our children in order to help prevent them from becoming bullies and on the same token if they are not the bullies but bullied to help them understand and guide them in how to deal with those situations.
Good topic so now tell me how you dealt with bullies or know of any bullies and their background.
ILL go along with your husband, WABBITS
you're a keeper
And I love you
eLK
you're a keeper
And I love you
eLK